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Do people's line of work seem to fit their profile?

2008-07-10T08:45:44Z

How many of you are occupied in a field that fits an ENTJ personality? If not, how do you feel about it? If so, how did you get there?

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What is your personal motto and statement?

2008-06-09T07:17:11Z

My motto: I promise to only use my powers for good.
My statement: It's all about me.

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Hierarchy of conditions for perfect matches

2008-05-19T02:06:52Z

There is a lot of different information out there regarding romantic compatibility between types. Among others, I know of the following theories of perfect matches:

- Opposites attract (INTJ + ESFP, ISTP + ENFJ etc.)

- Keirsey: Opposites attract, but N or S must be the same (INTJ + ENFP, ISTP + ESFJ etc.)

- Personalitypage: The dominant function must be shared, but oppositely directed (INTJ with Introverted Intuition + ENFP _or_ ENTP since both have Extraverted Intuition, ISTP with Introverted Thinking + ESTJ _or_ ENTJ since both have Extraverted Thinking)

Based on my own observations, I believe that Keirsey has it right when he insists that N or S should be the same. I also believe that Personalitypage is correct in emphasizing the importance of having the same dominant function. Finally, I believe that, as long as the basic language (N or S) and interest (dominant function) are the same, opposites do indeed attract and complement one another.

I therefore propose the following hierarchy of relationship matches:

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Condition 1: The dominant function must be the same, but oppositely directed.
Condition 2: The perceiving function (N or S) must be the same.

If possible once these conditions are met, the judging function (T or F) should be different.

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This leads to the following eight optimal matches:

INTJ-ENFP (Dominant function: Intuition, T and F opposite)
ENTP-INFJ (Dominant function: Intuition, T and F opposite)
ISTJ-ESFP (Dominant function: Sensing, T and F opposite)
ESTP-ISFJ (Dominant function: Sensing, T and F opposite)
INTP-ENTJ (Dominant function: Thinking)
ISTP-ESTJ (Dominant function: Thinking)
ENFJ-INFP (Dominant function: Feeling)
ESFJ-ISFP (Dominant function: Feeling)

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I'd love to hear any thoughtful comments.

Also, if anyone is aware of a source who has already published this hierarchy, please let me know.

Yours,
Tanja (INTJ)

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Marrying another ENTJ

2008-05-19T01:58:31Z

I adore my fiancee, who happens to be another ENTJ. We are incredible at negotiation, organizing activities, and even defer to another (she allows me to take the lead role in the relationship, which I have stated I need). I don't believe in luck and hoodoo-voodoo, but if there is such a thing as 'soulmate' she's it.
Any tips from fellow ENTJ's on their experiences and tips in marriage to another ENTJ?

Thanks in advance.

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ENTJs & religion

2008-05-19T01:50:27Z

Hi there fellow Fieldmarshals

I´m curious, as ENTJs´ dominant function is thinking, I was just wondering what your 'stand' on religion is.

-Marie

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ENTJ Support Group!

2008-05-19T01:48:15Z

Thank God I found you guys! I am in desperate need of an ENTJ support group! I spent most of last night tossing and turning in bed pondering and thinking about all sorts of different things and wondering what was "wrong with me" because I seem to always be in this rut when it comes to friendships. I was talking this all out with my INTP husband last night who "couldn't see anything wrong with me" (probably because he just wanted to get back to bed). So I got on google this morning (because I am a chronic sponge when it comes to learning) and typed in "entj friends" wondering if it had anything to do with my personality type. One of the first things that popped up was the discussion of "What's the hardest part of being an ENTJ?". Wow. Reading your responses blew me away. All I kept doing was nodding my head in agreement (because, by the way, you guys were 100% correct - lol) and thinking to myself, man, I really need to belong to an ENTJ support group.

So -- here I am. What do you guys say?

:-)

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Where to meet ENTJs?

2008-05-19T01:42:23Z

I'll start by admitting that I am not an ENTJ, but I'm always better for having known one, and I do better with them. Truly. Every ENTJ I've known I've admired. All tended to have a strong sense of integrity, which isn't easy to find.

This may sound strange and gushy, and I don't mean it to be gushy as I am quite serious, but I'd like more in my life. Does anybody on this tribe have any recommendations of where I can hobnob with ENTJs? Should I attend a Toastmaster's meeting?

Kate

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What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?

2008-05-19T01:37:18Z

We are outgoing (at least publicly)
Intuitive, which makes Ss a mystery that they function.
Thinking, which must make us think about this stuff.
Judging. Will those bloody Ps every make up their minds?

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If your wishes were reality

2008-05-01T06:11:01Z

what would you wish for?

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I think I am, I think I am

2007-12-10T22:30:45Z

but I am not sure.

Here's my problem... It isn't the E or the N or the J, but the F. Sometimes, I am a big heart, but other times I am a big brain. Sometimes, I am more comfortable being that big brain, but I feel I am actually this big heart.

Of course, this DOES translate into the... whatever my life has become as of late... this schism between head and heart, but... when I read about ENFJ's, I feel I am reading about myself -- the self most people don't see, the self people see only in my closest relationships (which are all that I have at the moment at my own devising), the self at what I feel is it's most authentic.

But I do share things with ENTJ's... like the mind that won't shut up or slow down and runs circles around other people. However, I do repress a lot of what I think out of concern for other people -- they might not be able to take it or be ready and so I wait until it is ready to be said -- I trust myself not to forget. I do tend to think I know what the people around me need and I do hate being alone and tend to expend a lot of energy taking care of the people around me (and yes, to the detriment of my own health... a year ago, I found myself in crisis).

It's the thinking thing... does feeling mean you don't think? How does that work out anyway?

I am not as goal-oriented as ENTJs seem to be... I have a plan that I then worry and fret won't work because I am not certain I am doing enough because I am communicating with folks on-line, making sure of my long-distance friendships, etc.

So, I guess I am supposed to get out (hee!), but from where I was certain, I feel a degree of... what if...and I'd like some help, if you good folks don't mind.

Heart,

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INTP looking to meet ENTJ woman who is a rational atheist.

2007-09-25T04:35:18Z

I've read that one of my more compatible type is the ENTJ and I wanted to see what would come out of this. I can't help say that I am nagged a bit by the "feeling" that, in wanting to be an objective and rational person, the idea that I'm searching for someone based on personality type is subjective and reminiscent of searching a mate based on horoscope signs. This is, as stated, a feeling.

I match very closely the INTP description at http://www.intp.org/intprofile.html with of course a few variances. Though the description of an INTP is a good reference, it doesn't define me. I have various cultural and personal experience which have helped shape the person I have become. I believe in being responsible as much as can be possible for one's thoughts and actions, their origins and their impact. I'm looking for someone with whom I can be comfortable and not have to worry about how they would "feel" if or when they would misinterpret my actions and their motives.

So if there are any rational atheists who would be interested in speaking with someone and who are looking so share some time, experiences and life then feel free.

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ENTJ - INFP

2007-04-06T07:11:34Z

Hei I'm an INFP and I'm looking for ENTJ-INFP couple to know how this combination works!
Can you help me! Thank you very much!
Rossana

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Please Understand Me II

2006-12-20T03:18:27Z

“A highly recommended book offering invaluable insight for all types!” -http://lifepaths.tribe.net/

Please Understand Me II: Temperament Character Intelligence
by David Keirsey, Ray Choiniere (Foreword by)

From the Publisher
For the past twenty years Keirsey has continued to investigate personality differences — to refine his theory of the four temperaments and to define the facets of character that distinguish one from another. His findings form the basis of Please Understand Me II, an updated and greatly expanded edition of the book, far more comprehensive and coherent than the original, and yet with much of the same easy accessibility. One major addition is Keirsey's view of how the temperaments differ in the intelligent roles they are most likely to develop. Each of us, he says, has four kinds of intelligence — tactical, logistical, diplomatic, strategic — though one of the four interests us far more than the others, and thus gets far more practice than the rest. Like four suits in a hand of cards, we each have a long suit and a short suit in what interests us and what we do well, and fortunate indeed are those whose work matches their skills. As in the original book, Please Understand Me II begins with The Keirsey Temperament Sorter, the most used personality inventory in the world. But also included is The Keirsey Four-Types Sorter, a new short questionnaire that identifies one's basic temperament and then ranks one's second, third, and fourth choices. Share this new sorter with friends and family, and get set for a lively and fascinating discussion of personal styles.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781885705020&itm=1

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New Here

2006-10-21T18:55:05Z

I recently stumbled upon this site and have fount it very interesting. Just this past week I discovered my type to be ENTJ and I think that is pretty damn cool. I can't wait to meet and learn from other ENTJ's. Well I just wanted to say hi, ttyl.

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"X" 's

2006-09-27T21:09:39Z

Hi, new here thought I'd say hello, ask a quick question.

I have tested many times and am pretty solidly 50%E 50%I NT 50%J 50%P (go ahead and laugh , I know the "p" part ...it's ironic)

is there just.................nothing for the freaks like myself? where do we shuffle ourselves? what box do WE belong in? eh?

do we get nifty little names?

I for one think that any personality type whichis half intp and half entj deserves the title "Evil Genius"

Votes? anyone?

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MetaBrain Growth Process

2006-08-29T13:54:26Z

OK, I'll bite. What is it?

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yay!

2006-08-29T12:18:08Z

i kept seeing all these I tribes. and wondered were the extroverts. everyone knows that i'm loud. the pause button between what you think and say has been disabled on this model. ;)

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What about dating?

2006-08-29T11:48:18Z

What kind of matches have you found are good or bad fits for your ENTJ personality type?

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MetaBrain Growth Process

2004-11-26T09:56:31Z

OK, I'll bite. What is the "MetaBrain Growth Process"?

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My TYPE intelligence theory (within each Temperament - ENTJ)

2004-11-05T00:41:28Z

While I recognize ever more the limitations of the MBTI matrix as a description for real individuals - so much individuating information is necessarily unaccounted for and it seems clear to me that we have "ranges" and tendencies (based on strength of each variable) rather than ironclad types, though it makes it harder to predict others - the INTP in me relishes the relationships that can be inferred within the context of the matrix. Really, just because the functions change with combinations of attributes does not mean people can't exhibit more than one combination on different occassions. We are complex beings.

An idea of which I am particularly fond is that if Keirsey temperaments may be understood as intelligence orientations, a pattern of sub-orientations appears to emerge within each temperament.

http://keirsey.com/matrix.html
http://keirsey.com/personality/nt.html
http://keirsey.com/personality/nf.html
http://keirsey.com/personality/sp.html
http://keirsey.com/personality/sj.html

It's important to realize that the temperaments are based on the generalization of tendencies toward "abstractness" versus "concreteness" or intuitive versus sensorial direction of attention and communication (N/S) and cooperative versus utilitarian implementation of goals (NF, SJ v. NT, SP).

From there, an area of skill or intelligence is defined (reasonably well, I think) in the following categories:

Guardians: Logistical Provision (Concrete-Cooperative)
Artisans: Tactical Variation (Concrete-Utilitarian)
Idealists: Diplomatic Integration (Abstract-Cooperative)
Rationals: Strategic Analysis (Abstract-Utilitarian)

These categories are further divided by T/F for Sensorial Temperaments and P/J for Intuitives into (introverts and extroverts are in the same categories):

Guardians: T-Administrators, F-Conservators
Artisans: T-Operators, F-Entertainers
Idealists: P-Advocates, J-Mentors
Rationals: P-Engineers, J-Coordinators

Now - I find colors to be helpful in the next step. These are somewhat arbitrary - as are the type names, but they are the way I learned them. I will subdivide the types in each temperament into subtemperament based on skill or intelligence attributes. Remember that I'm only hypothesizing each particularly type is a __(blank)__ type of _(insert Temperament)_ intelligence/skill.

* Guardians ("Gold") - seeks DUTY/Security
Supervisor ESTJ (Orange-Gold, or Tactical V. of Logistic P.)
Inspector ISTJ (Green-Gold, or Strategic A. of Logistic P.)
Provider ESFJ (Blue-Gold, or Diplomatic I. of Logistic P.)
Protector ISFJ (Gold-Gold, or Logistic P. of Logistic P.)

* Artisans ("Orange") seeks FREEDOM/Sensation
Promoter ESTP (Orange-Orange, or Tactical V. of Tactical V.)
Crafter ISTP (Green-Orange, or Strategic A. of Tactical V.)
Performer ESFP (Gold-Orange, or Logistic P. of Tactical V.)
Composer ISFP (Blue-Orange, or Diplomatic I. of Tactical V.)

* Idealists ("Blue") seeks HARMONY/Identity
Teacher ENFJ (Gold-Blue, or Logistic P. of Diplomatic I.)
Counselor INFJ (Green-Blue, or Strategic A. of Diplomatic I.)
Champion ENFP (Orange-Blue, or Tactical V. of Strategic I.)
Healer INFP (Blue-Blue, or Diplomatic I. of Diplomatic I.)

* Rationals ("Green") seeks EXCELLENCE/Knowledge
Fieldmarshal ENTJ (Blue-Green, or Diplomatic I. of Strategic A.)
Mastermind INTJ (Gold-Green, or Logistic P. of Strategic A.)
Inventor ENTP (Green-Green, or Strategic A. of Strategic A.)
Architect INTP (Orange-Green, or Tactical V. of Strategic A.)

The reiterative ones iNFp, iSfJ, eStP, and eNTp I think of as hypertemperaments. The hardest ones for me to distinguish were INTP and ENTP - I couldn't tell for a while which would be Orange-Green and which Green-Green, until I looked at what the temperaments sought and realised the compensatory narscisism associated with an extreme ENTP ("look how many books I wrote!") is really a breakneck striving for excellence, while the schiziod hermitude of an extreme INTP is really a desire for freedom (from people, distractions, even outcomes or uses of information) in the quest for a "universal" mastery (ok, really just familiarity) of knowledge or systems.

INTJs are truly strange brew, as are any of the types whose subtemperaments have the exact opposite attributes (N/S, C,U)as those of their main temperaments. I see some prominent INTJs as having laid the intellectual foundations for the kind of excellence they admire, and some as driving through a development that was extremely important to them. Honestly, I only have had strong INTJ tendencies in two projects during my lifetime as-of-yet (the complete revision of a dysfunctional Student Government into an inclusive and project-oriented Student Leadership Council, and the development of a MetaBrain Growth Process, which may prove to be my life's work).

I agree with some of the earlier comments about ENTJs in this tribe. Athough I've been reluctant to face it, ENTJ is one of the more highly expressed types in my range and I have filled certain capacities in ENTJ-esque ways (as the Student Trustee on the Board of Trustees at my former college, and as the de-facto leader of a couple other groups over time). The a Diplomatic Integration approach for Strategically Analytic matters is interesting because what is really getting integrated by ENTJs are the theories and people necessary to make an organization or project successful (there is a joke I came across that an "idealized" ENTP might say something like, "I'm sorry you have to die" - the success of the project/organization comes first). One of the reasons I posted my theory on the ENTJ page is that people like you might actually make use of it to achieve explicit objectives.

I saw other patterns when I was heavily into this stuff last winter, but none are nearly as interesting. The MBTI system, for all its flaws and limitations, has helped me understand and appreciate different kinds of people.

Feel free to post and reactions or new perspectives on the topic of MBTI systematicity!

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