We are outgoing (at least publicly)
Intuitive, which makes Ss a mystery that they function.
Thinking, which must make us think about this stuff.
Judging. Will those bloody Ps every make up their minds?
Intuitive, which makes Ss a mystery that they function.
Thinking, which must make us think about this stuff.
Judging. Will those bloody Ps every make up their minds?
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Fri, December 23, 2005 - 2:02 AMAlways being right,
of course.
When will the rest of the world learn.
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Fri, December 23, 2005 - 9:24 AM:)
Although, actually...
I'm surrounded by INTPs (geniuses), as in about 50 of them. In fact....they are always right, but only because they consider every bloody path. On the flip side, they are always wrong as well. Luckily they are so fearful of making the wrong decision on their own that strong NT-J is like a shining light in a cave of red eyes.
For me the hardest part is actually being such a small percentage of the population. One of my friends who is built like and looks a little like a young Arnold Schwarzenegger was playing around and simply ran up to another friend who is a brilliant economist and who could best be described as sort of looking like Michael Stipe (singer from REM) and picked him and started running with him. He should have known better than to run with sharp objects…and they fell.
Both were hurt a little. AS and I had a talk about “touching other people.” He is young and wants to play, but he is strong enough to do a chin up with one arm.
Being ENTJ is a little like this…we want to play, but people end up getting hurt.
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Sun, December 25, 2005 - 9:39 AMAlso, I totally relate with the "wanting to play but other people get hurt. See my post regarding dating...
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Tue, August 29, 2006 - 4:33 AMActualy being an XNTX I can see this from many differant perspectives.
I do consider every path, the bloody ones and the not so bloody ones(...there IS a veritable cornicopea of variety...) then I do the same thing to determine which path to choose and I am really right dead on by some margin or other most of the time (hehehe), the occasions on which I am not I am luckily, quickly, inventive and can almost always either devise an innovative method by which to solve any emergant problems, use them to my advantage, or sweep them completely under the rug.
However.....I realte in this single deffinate respect...no wait...I've grown past that , never mind.
Good day to you all.
-Ike
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Mon, April 7, 2008 - 1:31 PMget over yourself!
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Sun, December 25, 2005 - 9:37 AMthe thinking part is probably the most challenging, since my brain never seems to turn OFF. I'm learning to meditate which is a whole different feeling than the constant ruminating! -
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Wed, June 7, 2006 - 8:49 AMI am glad to hear someone else say it. I am a dyed in the wool ENTJ AND female. My brain never shuts down, let alone slows down, and meditation DOES help. Plus,it's not easy to have friendships with other strong women (because the weak ones are not an option anyway) because inevitably you get in the Alpha Female pissing match and someone gets hurt. So instead, I've had a long history of men being my friends, until I find out that they secretly had other feelings which I did not share. In romantic relationships with men, if they are not also an ENTJ and happen to be phenomenally well balanced too, I ultimately see them as weak and then have no respect for them and the relationship can not go on. I wish I could find an ENTJ man who was not married, WYSIWYG and totally "good" with himself so I could be me and he could be him. -
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Wed, June 7, 2006 - 11:13 AM
I am borderline on the I/E (that one is pretty situational for me), but very NTJ. I can relate a lot to what people are saying in this thread though. But one thing I don't understand, and that is, are people saying that it is a problem for them that "the brain never shuts down"? Why? I haven't felt that to be a problem or downside.
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Sun, May 18, 2008 - 6:37 PMI am an ENTJ male, divorced, and I would love to find a "balanced" ENTJ female. If you are interested in finding out more email me!
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Wed, June 21, 2006 - 10:15 PMAlmost always being right... but not necessarily getting it because other people are NOT LOGICAL... consistant or congruent...
Having to soften my manner and contain all the time... make room for other people's bloody feelings and sensibilities... I find that I need to remind myself that I can't just pick up the phone and bark - WHAT DO YOU WANT?
Having to deal with the grunt work... if I think it why can't it just be so?
Needing other people to realize that I'm not really without heart and sometimes I don't know what's going on... I'm talking about trusting people to get it and see me...
And finally - that I don't control everything... that is the hardest part.
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Sat, October 13, 2007 - 8:41 AMI think Mel covered almost all the important points:
1. Being unable to get to the point, and having to accommodate the delicate sensibilities of others. Yes, it can be unpleasant, but what the hell does your squeamishness have to do with getting the job done? Get it over already.
2. Details. So. Bloody. Dull.
3. Being female, and expected to play nice. Screw that, man! Not my fault that I was born a petite Asian woman (5 feet, 105 lbs sopping wet) when I have the heart and nerve of a conquistador. I've already got three strikes against my success; damned if I'm going to step aside. No--I'm going to play twice as hard!
But then my mom just *looks* at me, like it's not enough that I've done all the things a good Asian daughter should do, now I've got to be sweet and demure and coy and THE GUILT...*bangs head*
4. Myself. Forget the criticism of others. If I eff up, there's self-flagellating to the nth-degree.
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Tue, August 29, 2006 - 4:35 AMMeeting women willing to shake hands with my standards.
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Mon, September 4, 2006 - 1:35 PMgod as I read some of these responses i can't help but laugh... mostly at the fact that i can picture situations, and its great.
The worse part of being an ENTJ... is just being an ENTJ! I mean everything I do is like a double check. Its like, is what I say or do going to hurt this perspons feelings... blah blah. ARgh! Oh... and the brain not shutting off... yeah thats really sucks... i would really love to get some sleep at some point in my life... without tossing and turning in bed... oh and making friends... yeah... Ive given up on that one... people love me... i love people but... its just very odd... i dunno. ITS JUST SO FRUSRTATING! -
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Thu, September 7, 2006 - 11:23 PMI think the hardest part is OTHER females. I have these female friends-- and they're great. But... it seems like I'm always apologizing for something. I go through these phases when I'm like, "Look, you asked what I thought, which means you didn't want a pretty pink fluffy response. What did you expect?" And other times when I think, "Man, I should really try to act more sensitive... I should be able to practice a little empathy once and awhile... it wouldn't hurt." And then I get fed up and say something blunt. And then there are tears. And an apology. Vicious cycle.
Oh-- and I have these guy friends, which is a great because I can relax around them and not worry about hurt feelings. It's easier to relate to most of them-- less tears for the most part. But I really hate acting like 'one of the guys'. It makes me feel so asexual and ... I don't know... butch. I end up over-compensating and wearing heels and make-up, just to make myself feel better. And that pisses off my buddies' girlfriends. So THEN I feel like I have to go out of my way to prove that I'm not after their guys. Which means I have to spend one-on-one time with the girlfriend. Play all nice-nice let's-be-friends. That's how I end up at pampered chef, tupperwaremarykay... and those damn basket parties-- what are those? Financial peace offerings. "Look honey, I just bought $100 of crap so I can have a beer with your boyfriend and talk about work and Warcraft..."
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Sun, April 15, 2007 - 5:06 PMWell just found out I'm one of you guys, although I shouldn't be surprised really. I exhibit all the traits, which is a bit strange to know.
I've had a good look on the internet as to what exactly being an ENTJ means. So I'd suggest one of the hardest things being an ENTJ is everyone hating us?! :-)
Seriously, do a Google search on ENTJ and business and you'll see what I mean. Loads of other types claiming that they wd hate to be us because they work / did an MBA with lots of egomaniacal, arrogant, bullshitting ENTJs (apparently)... I had no idea I belonged to a group that was loathed (but v successful apparently - maybe being loathed is worth it!).
I agree with a lot of the comments here. I actually think that the hardest thing about being an ENTJ is that I expect everyone to think like me because everything seems logical when I think about it, so I get frustrated when everyone else doesn't grasp what I'm saying or takes me up wrong. Like when you get inspired - you know, your mind makes a crazy, almost electric shock like surge and you can nearly feel the wires of inspiration - you just wish you could do a mindmeld so that everyone else got you and you didn't have to waste valuable time explaining what you mean (or pandering to people's egos to phrase it all in the right way).
I also read that we get accused of being angry when we're passionate. That's the story of my life. I can be really worked up about something but it's in the moment when I'm explaining it. Then it's over and I go back to being my happy, optimistic self again. I just need to let it out and then move on to the next issue.
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Sun, April 22, 2007 - 5:33 PMI guess I could sum up that pent up frustration in a line from a movie, "In and Out" with Kevin Klein and Joan Cusack. She's in a bar after her fiance outs himself at the altar, and she tries to pick up Tom Selleck, who plays a gay reporter. He gently turns her down because of his orientation, and she staggers back, aghast, and exclaims "Is EVERYBODY gay???". That's sometimes how I feel when I am surrounded by people who totally don't "get" what I am trying to say. Like I am completely alone in my approach to things in a totally fundamental way.
Hopefully that didn't come across an anti-gay thing - I am the last person to have any issues with people's orientations. See, as an ENTJ don't you always feel like you have to clarify everything???
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Mon, May 14, 2007 - 5:49 PMI think the hardest thing about being an ENTJ is "softening" my personality for other people! I am always envious of those to whom sensitivity comes naturally, while I am constantly trying not to make someone cry. Its frustrating to me that others interpret my enthusiam as anger or aggression. I just wish that people were a little bit tougher sometimes. (This wish of course, helps my love life NIL)
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Mon, July 23, 2007 - 11:18 AMBeing right is tough... :) Rushing and waiting for others quite often.
Expressing feelings/emotions - why???
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Sun, August 5, 2007 - 8:14 PMI think socially it can be tough...when I'm honest people seem to think it's mean...don't get it.
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Sun, April 6, 2008 - 3:17 PMAnd the list could go on...
You mean there are other people out there like me? It's about time. Now I can stop tossing and turning all night thinking what the hell is wrong with everyone else. Okay but Im still gonna toss and turn because I will find something else to contemplate. Sleep is good. I need it, but why sleep when I could be learning or doing something that stimulates my neurons.
Hardest part is that poeple dont "get" me or "it". Come on do I really have to explain myself? Either you get it or you dont. Either you get me or you dont. Just because I am "sweet and innocent looking" doesn't mean I'm easily offended. I don't get offended. ENTJ's don't get offended. Say what you have to say so we can be done with it and move on.
Yeah I totally agree with a lot of you out there that it's tough to think of others feelings and be all sentimental. I have to make an effort to say So how does that make you feel? When honestly that's besides the point that I'm waiting to hear. I catch myself drifting into my own thoughts when people talk about their feelings. Funny thing is a lot of people say to me I am easy to talk to.
People like to say I get passionate in discussions. No I say I like to get intense. I just get into it. Then once I've made my point I'll go the bar and get another drink come back and tell a dry humor joke. haha
When I go on dates I'm constantly observing my surroundings and guys think Oh shes bored. argghh no you idiot. I just like to know whats going on. Most of them dont make it past a second date because they start to bore me after the first date. Come on dont be a caveman. Cut the small talk and let's have a real conversation. Stimulate me.
meanwhile I am chuckling on the inside as I am typing all this, but of course all ENTJ's already "get" that.
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Re: What is the hardest part of being ENTJ?
Mon, April 7, 2008 - 1:30 PMthe hardest thing for ENTJs: their dominant function is the most culturally sanctioned, but thier auxiliary is the most culturally despised.
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 10:11 PMI feel almost too wise for my age. Is that something classify as being 'hard'? It ends up as me not being appreciated for what I do know or my views not respected because others cannot simply understand how I can explain so well. Yes, I've gotten well past the point of being a Master at explaining...well.....anything. My one and only wish, sometimes, ends up being that someday I will be heard and get the respect I should have had.
I am one who has clearly developed and fine tuned his thinking skills as being an ENTJ. While it has taken a long time to achieve this, there was something I kind of wish I did have along the way. One of the hardest things for me is pushing my way through life and leaving else behind. Of course, I continue to write journals and blogs and so forth and it's not like it's a choice. I simply can't stop and wait for the world to catch up with what I have learned through constantly thinking, nonstop, all day long and for many, many years. I know I have breached insanity and came back to the world to live a sane life. But, if there is one thing I wish I could have right this very moment, I wish someone would teach me for once. I'm tired of teaching other people.
The hardest thing about being ENTJ isn't the fact of being an ENTJ. I wasn't given a choice. Although I'll live with it, but I won't slow down my thinking to give people a chance. If they want me to do something, they simply have to ask. I don't give free advice, anymore. It was a waste of wind. That was a hard one, but I got through it. Sometimes it takes more than just your conscious mind to accomplish things and when a person learns how to use their unconscious mind at the same time, they are clearly accomplishing thoughts at alarming rates. No, being an ENTJ isn't hard. Talking to people isn't hard. Explaining things has become very easy. The hardest part for me is wanting to help, but understanding it just isn't going to happen. Especially, when I'll refuse to do it for them. I get passed the point that it just involves the instance of, "I have to not care anymore." Maybe I should just not try and help anymore, period. I already stopped giving advice as it is. The next step into a more intelligent future, I reckon.
